[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: elitism and politics in the dog show ring...
- From: "Nancy Harper" <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>, <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>, <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:51:09 -0400
Quite Frankly it all depends on the judge. An example: Years ago I
inadvertently entered by bitch in the wrong class, Am Bred instead of Open,
for the Atlanta Kennel Club All Breed Show. . Jim was my handler he already
had an Am Bred Bitch . After getting "what for" for the error I was put to
the question. What the @#@!!!!!*#@ do you think we are going to do now"? .
Well, I asked Joan Turner if I could borrow her tennis shoes cause I was
going to take the bitch in myself. We stuffed tissues in the toes of Joan
shoes cause they were waaaay to long . Entered ring with wrong clothes on
and big, looked something like the clowns at the circus with big shoes,
only thing missing was the big red nose. Won the class, went winners bitch.
Judge liked my bitch, he was not intimidated by the handlers in the ring. of
which there were several. Finished her that day. Sally Hayden gave this
bitch her first major from 12 - 18 I have a great picture of that Sally,
thanks a Lothario daughter. The very next day saw an All Breed judge give
everything to the handler with poor dogs, she was so unsure. Picture of my
win at the Atlanta KC is on my web site, it's old, I'll probably never
remove it. LOVE THAT PICTURE The judge was Bill Whalen from CA.
Just this past year Lenny went in the ring at the all breeds down in
Brooksville FL with Sylvia McDaniel's nice young male. This young male went
Breed from the Classes over Geneva with Jim. Again a Judge that had the
confidence and the conviction he needed. I basically agree with the person,
sorry don't remember who you were, that stated they talked to the all breed
judges afterwards./ Perhaps we all need to become more involved and
personal and personable with some of the AB judges. Looks like we will be
having more all breeds with majors in the future.
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From: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>
To: <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>; <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: elitism and politics in the dog show ring...
What you said is so true, especially in the AB ring.? Many of the AB
handlers show several breeds under the same judges and they get to know each
other quite well.? If a Judge is not well versed in a particular breed, they
have no issue looking to a certain handler to bring them a quality dog.?
Well, that handler may very well have the three-legged goat in the ring that
day.?
Case in point.??Several years ago, at a show I will not name and a Judge I
will not name, Jimmy brought that 3-legged goat into the ring.? The Open
Bitch class was 12 girls.? I do not want to offend the breeder/owner of this
girl but she was not only Fugly, she couldn't move her way out of a paper
bag.? The Judge moved us around and around, moving her up each time until
she won the class.? Now, just so you don't think this is sour grapes, there
were some gorgeous bitches in that ring.? My girl didn't have a prayer.? She
gave up after the third or fourth time around, and she loves to show.? But,
she was not a contender and I knew it.? What got me was that these gorgeous
bitches were overlooked to move this?Fugly bitch to the front of the
line.??It was obvious to all that this Judge looked at Jimmy to bring?her a
quality animal.? No, she didn't take the Breed, but his Special did.?
Hmmmm......??
I have no issue with any of the GOOD handlers bringing quality animals into
the ring and getting beat by them.? I do have an issue when the 3-legged
goat wins because of the handler's?reputation and the Judge's?lack of
knowledge of the breed.??
I have decided that in the future, I will show mainly under breed judges at
the AB shows.??They are harder to find but with many of the AB shows looking
for better entries, they may decide to employ these breed judges to get
majors.? There are some AB Judges that I like and will continue to show my
dogs to them.? But, like everyone in this financial crisis, I will be very
particular and not show just to show.???
JMHO
Laura
-----Original Message-----
From: Laurie Pruett <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 8:07 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] elitism and politics in the dog show ring...
I show my dogs in both rings. I have at home two animals that won their
classes
at the GSDCA national specialty AND have all-breed Group I's. Now - these
are
GSDCA national class wins and all-breed Group wins handled by Ariel - NOT
Jimmy
or Kent or Leslie or Lenny. So - we didn't win because of handler political
connections - we won because these are darn nice dogs. There are politics
in
both rings and good and bad judges in both rings. But - you still can win
with
nice dogs both rings.
I see good dogs in both rings - and I find that I can sort them out in a big
or
small ring. The truly correct GSD can handle a big or small ring and look
good
doing it.
IMO - the politics in the all-breed ring - at least at the breed level - are
not
as bad as the politics and the shenanigans I see going on in our specialty
rings.
Laurie Pruett
Windy Acres
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