Well I have missed a lot this weekend, by not being home. Here is my take. Dying has been going on for many year, by the big ones. The big ones are teaching their gofers coming up in the ranks until they are big ones too and on & on & on... They teach their clients to dye and many of those clients are probably newbie's. What a wonderful start! I strongly object and am extremely irritated when I have to put up with it in the ring. It IS against the rules and shame on all of us for letting it go. Drugs are used to cover unstable temperament, which is the most hurtful to the breed. A good number of owners, who are new or naive, have no idea what is going on. If they ask, I know of some who will lie to their faces. That sounds like somebody I want MY dog with, in the next century! I am with Kathy Tank on this and there is an avenue set up for us to put a stop to this, we need to start using it. Its pretty bad when there are local dogs we see all the time and all of a sudden look like a different dog, we ask the owner..."Oh, you have a new dog!" and they don't!! To add insult to injury, they think we don't notice. Hard not to notice on a 4-day weekend, the dogs either get a little lighter with each bath, or darker as the weekend goes on. Some are very good at it, some look like paint-by-number. Is the message being sent by people who need to use dye they are aware the dog they are showing is inferior? It all comes down to money. If the owner has the money, the deed will get done. If a certain stud dog or bitch is close to ROM and they NEED this win, it WILL get done. This is not new. This is the game. The rest of us schmucks struggle on our own, but if it gets done, it will be our own reward and we will be prouder for it. It would most likely be pretty expensive to do testing on everyone entered. Testing on ALL winners might be the answer. I'm all for it. Kathy, count me in. Carol Weale ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================