Yes, there are many gorgeous dogs out there.? But, presence or the "IT" factor is something different.? You just know it when you see it ot feel it. When I first started with GSD's, I was doing obedience.? I entered my dog in a local specialty.? I didn't have a show dog at the time and was watching the judging while waiting for my obedience class.??As I was wandering around, I saw a dog that just drew me to him.? He was just hanging out with his owner.??I just had to meet this dog.? I went up to him and said Hi and petted him.? I asked the owner his name and she said it was BOSS.??Seemed like a good name to me, as he looked calm and confident in himself.? I didn't get to see him show as?my class came up.? I had no idea who this dog was or even who the owner was.? But, I wanted to see this dog again.? I found out who he was at that?years National.??I only got to see him show once, but he was everything I expected.? He had the?"IT" factor.? There is something there that just draws you in.? Laura Thomas?? -----Original Message----- From: pmick12 <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2009 12:29 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] dogs with presence.... People are posting the names of dogs that took their breath away..........and I will agree with many of them that these dogs were beautiful...... top of the list, of course, has to be Scoop... and Leroy, Ciera, and others.. .......but I was talking about presence (an intangible) -- which has nothing to do with structure, movement, or anything else. Presence is the ability to project a sense of ease and self-assurance...some pretty bad riders, for example, still have great presence on a horse. For me it's a look of arrogance, too...not simply beauty, but a "I know you came to see ME, because there's nothing else here as good" attitude.........sort of a "looking down your nose" thing......... and Zeek had it in spades. Lots of dogs have presence, I guess...but I've never seen a dog who had it like Zeek did. That's just me. I've seen dogs whose movement blew me away, dogs working that made me cry........but for just standing there, oozing "something" that made it almost impossible to look anywhere else...........that was Zeek. Nothing wrong with any other dogs named in this discussion...........I love or have loved a lot of them (Ciera, Leroy, and of course, Scoop, etc.) but Zeke just had to stand there............and whew......the goosebumps erupted and a little frisson ran up my spine and down again... Snake was beautiful.........I went on and on about him to anyone who would listen...........but Zeek had the most presence of any Shepherd I personally have ever seen. Peggy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================