Hi Listers, (with a CC to Flower Boy, since this is up his alley) My daughter, Kate, is almost 10 (4th grade). She comes from strong meat-eating traditions on both sides of her family (you can take her father's kielbasa if you pry it from his cold dead hands ...), has grown up with pets (dogs, cats, wooly bear caterpillars, crickets until the cats got them), and has been exposed to various working, recreational, and agricultural aspects of human/animal interactions all her life. I've also had some discussions with her about the need to be careful donating to animal charities, because some don't love animals so much as hate humans and want to prohibit all pets. She is now being exposed to some influential vegetarians: her teacher, one of her close friends, and a 5th grade girl on an academic team with her. (I have given the close friend and her mother a bit of an education regarding "responsible breeders", since they are of the "we love animals but would only consider getting ours from the pound" variety. I think I opened some eyes on that one when I talked about selecting breeding pairs, buyer contracts, lifetime rehoming.) The teacher may be vegetarian out of philosophical concern over the best way to feed the planet; the girls seem to be of the "don't hurt animals, they're cute" and "meat isn't good for you" mindset, although I know the one friend comes from a family that buys some of the AR agenda. (Wouldn't they be surprised to find what the ARistas thought of their beloved horseback riding!) Two weeks ago, while we were preparing breakfast, Kate expressed an interest in becoming vegetarian. She said she'd be willing to "get all [her ]protein from nuts". My response was to tell her that that was certainly something she could choose to do when she was older, but that I wasn't in a position to run a vegetarian household. (Mean, Nasty Mommy!) Then I sent my ex-husband a quick email entitled "heads up - meat". His reply was priceless: "From your title I assumed you were alerting me to the recent meat recall! This is worse!" Anyway, today I found out that another 4th grade friend has recently expressed a desire for meatless lunches. I think it's time to get on the stick before too many of these well-meaning, generous-hearted girls get sucked in further by the AR camp. Who could give me pointers towards well-written and well-reasoned documents that (1) lay out the full (anti-human, anti-pet) PETA and/or HSUS agenda or (2) counter claims that it's not nice or not healthy to eat meat? Preferably on an upper elementary school or middle school reading/maturity level. AND, for bonus points, what are some good books showing healthy, respectful bonds and interdependence between people & animals, again for the 10-12 year old set? I have noticed that a lot of the animal books that Kate & her friends read come with a subtext: that animals are cute and helpless/in trouble and need people to rescue them. I'm starting to view many of them as a sort of animal soft-porn, setups for the teenaged/young adult bodice rippers (where the girl/woman is beautiful and in trouble and needs a man to rescue her). Thanks in advance for suggestions! Cheers, Leslie -- Leslie M. Hartten web: http://spot.colorado.edu/~hartten Indi (TerraNorte's Midnight Indigo, German Shepherd Dog) & Brittany (Upland Sweet Baker, English Setter) -- Disclaimer: The contents of this message are mine personally and do not necessarily reflect any position of the Government of the United States of America, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or the University of Colorado. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================