Right now I am working with ears of a 8 month old pet male who was bred by some one else. This man is on the internet all the time reads everything- first time he came He informed me my 8 month old male's head was out of proportion to his body.(he has a head to die for) My champion house dog was a long coat And it looked like I had some hip problems out back Second time he came he brought the pedigree and informed me he guessed the sire side was ok but the dams side was great. The sire is a well know champion who is well bred. The mother is a pet. Out of pets At 5 months the dog was neutered and he had the front dew claws removed. He is an over night expert from reading and very lucky I have not lowered both barrels at him and pulled the trigger No sense in my trying to educated him - he already knows everything and would much rather believe a person who breeds one litter a year and maybe goes to watch one show then someone who has been around for 34 - This has been my experience for many years sally -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Cochran Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:26 PM To: bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; sally@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: For the New People tot he breed I agree but times change and if we want to include youth in our sport then we will have to communicate with them in a way that they understand. If we insist that they only way they can be a part of the sport is through pain and suffering then I doubt we will attract many young people to pass the knowledge on to. Terry Kay Reamensnyder <bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: No argument with anything you say.........but reading on the Internet does not make you an "informed dog person". Knowledge is only part of the deal.......experience teaches you things that no book can ever tell you. For example: you can "Google" the term "euthanesia" and get all kinds of information about "how to do it"....clinical information....but until you cradle that limp warm body of your best old friend and kiss that gray muzzle for the last time, you will never truely understand euthanesia. If you can accept and deal with that pain and grief, and move forward, then you have truly learned something. ---Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus ---bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ---VISIT OUR WEBSITE:http://home.earthlink.net/~bedkar > [Original Message] > From: Terry Cochran > To: ; > Date: 12/17/2006 11:21:48 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: For the New People tot he breed > > Kay, > > When we started out there was no Internet. We have the young ones being raised in the Information Generation. They want to be able to surf on the web for the information they seek. I see no advantage of playing Hide and Go Seek with people who may be interested in showing dogs. Not all show people have to be breeders. Not all breeders bred for the show ring. Not all breeders bred for the American show ring, not all breeders bred for the specialty ring. These are the things that the PC website can address. > > Terry > > > Sally wrote: > This is one of the best and truest things said on this list in a long time > > For those who want to be in this or any breed readmit , print it out and > keep reading it. > Sally > > -----Original Message----- > From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Kay Reamensnyder > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:45 PM > To: Terry Cochran; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: For the New People tot he breed > > Terry, > > We have all "been there and done that".........the truth is, if a person > wants to learn about > German Shepherds and breeding/exhibiting, they will find a way to get the > information. > NO....an established kennel is NOT going to sell them a "hot show > prospect"....why would > they trust an "unknown". A busy exhibitor/breeder will take someone under > their wing and > teach them...IF they see a real effort being made to learn. > > We have both been there, Terry. Maybe the first dogs aren't the > greatest....but you keep at it. > You go to shows....you keep your ears and eyes open........and you learn. > True dog people > didn't get there because some one "talks to them". It's a long involved > process....and you > "pay your dues" as the saying goes......it involves "the perfect litter by > pedigree" that turns out > being the mess of the century.....the gorgeous pup, with so much promise, > that dies suddenly..... > the feeling of finishing your first champion.....your first Group One, Best > in Show, or Select.... > staying up all night whelping a litter........finding out your Top Ranked > bitch has breast cancer.....etc. > > And then one day you realize that you have gained a wealth of knowledge > about this breed, > with your blood, sweat and tears and you are amazed by what you need to > learn yet........ > but, you have stayed the course and you are ready for more. > This is a lifetime commitment.......a passion that most can not or will not > understand. If you > truly want it, it will come to you. > > ---Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus > ---bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ---VISIT OUR WEBSITE:http://home.earthlink.net/~bedkar > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Terry Cochran > > To: > > Date: 12/17/2006 9:34:53 AM > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] For the New People tot he breed > > > > We all have been in the position of appearing to be rude when someone > wants to talk dogs when your dog is in the ring. Or in the position that > the questions being asked have taken you a lifetime to figure out and you > no longer have the energy to answer them the way they should be. > > > > So.. > > > > Why not have a web page on the PC website that is labeled IF YOU ARE > NEW TO THE BREED AND THE SPORT OF SHOWING GSD'S. > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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