I wasn't going to say much, but I lived near Lancaster and I knew these puppy mills and their --- whatever -- Here's hoping this is not a too long post, but it's important! I really think Ed may have misunderstood our thread here. Although some of "us" may be considered BYBs as we may not be big well known all over but are not puppy mills. Puppy mills are bad bad bad no matter where or what kind of dog they produce --- en mass -- The people do not have the #1 proper time #2 proper quality (usually) #3 proper -- and this is the most important - facilities and/or CARE for these - production factories in fur. I know, I have attempted to stop so many and seriously, the dogs are not cared for in a clean, healthy manner and bitches are bred each and every season if at all possible. The pet stores etc. get these critters and ,yes, do have paperwork etc. that looks good - but it's the animal we are talking about here and the sad conditions forced upon these dogs --- "man's best friend" hello -- I rest my case and hope it's Ok Norma & the critters who are cared for and loved and some aren't even ever bred --- ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================