At 10:26 AM 11/23/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I have bi colors. The undercoat is brown. Definitely NOT sable. >Barbarar Actually, there are very few "absolutes". I have had bi-colors for many years, I have had them with brown undercoat, light gray, very dark grey, and even almost black undercoats. The point is, IMO, that one cannot make a definitive statement about something using only their own experience. Scientific evidience requires a huge amount of data and careful analysis of the data. As an example, I have never bred, owned or even seen a cleft pallet (spell?) but I am certain that others have & that it does exist. Just because someone has had a different experience or belief does not mean that we should say that they are incorrect and they should not say the same of us. as I said - JMHO Sandy Sandra Kozub KcK Kennels http://iweb.tntech.edu/rkozub/kennel.htm ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================