Evan, I too totally support the list as a forum for people to express their opinions on important issues,(and silly ones!) however in this instance, it went beyond the issue at hand and people began openly attacking Carmen (and Jimmy as well for that matter in a few of the posts) personally and as a judge as well, which had nothing to do with Hunte or the letter or anything. People who obviously held a grudge against him or had some alterior motive began using the Hunte/letter issue as an excuse to criticize his judging procedure, temperament tests, intgrety...you name it! You may remember I posted a response to all of the negative "carmen bashing" as I called it, and reminded everyone that 6 months ago when they elected him to judge the nationals no one seemed to be having a problem with his judging or temp tests....and if they did, no one would dare attack a judge so openly and fiercely in such an open forum as the list. If it wasnt flaming, I dont know what is! I have never see n such intense, mean spirited, spiteful comments about a judge, (especially one who has done so much for the breed over the years and I have thought always done a very fair, consistant job) and if it wernt for the other BS going on about him people would not have felt it was open season and they were somehow given a free pass to say whatever they wanted about him. In my opinion when they "went there" they crossed the line. It was in extremely poor taste and not in the spirit in which this list was created for. Even after the nationals this last year, when there were lots of complaints and sour grapes, (at least some of which seemed to be justified from what I have heard privately, as I was not there last year) and many, many upset people, I did not see the kind of open, mean spirited attacks on Helen Franklin that we saw on Carmen. That is the problem I had with the carmen bashing....Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but when it gets that personal and negative ab out a fellow GSD lover, it has gone too far and the purpose of the list has been distorted. We need to keep to the issues at hand, and not behave like a pack of dogs in a dog fight, ganging up and getting a piece of the dog who is down! Maggie Marshall Aeval German Shepherds http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html Website Updated 03/21/2007 I also was disappointed to see the List be attacked for the dissemination of information, on both sides. The List did not cause the problems, nor does it reflect the position of anyone other that those who write what they believe. It seems popular now to blame the List, which is like shooting the messenger for the message. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================