On 11 Mar 2005, at 17:10, Schipstar@xxxxxxx wrote: yes, there is a criteria that must be followed for correct balloting procedures (should be in your by-laws), and the members in good standing are all given an opportunity to formally vote upon any change in the breed standard. On 11 Mar 2005, at 17:10, Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx wrote: I really don't see how you can separate one, from the other. They are intertwined. If is not part and parcel and our words alone are sufficient, then why **Illustrate** at all. A lot more people are going to glance at the pics than read the text in depth. If it is not part of it, then it should put in with the text. I don't believe it is possible to separate the two and have a good standard, nor do I believe that changing EXISTING drawings already used, can be taken as anything but a change to the I REPLY: The standard is NOT being changed. The standard on file with the AKC and all other grounds is a word standard. The illustrated Standard needed to be updated to match the written standard. The drawings will not change the meaning and intent of our standard. With better illustrations, the standard can be made clearer - not changed or altered. At present the AKC/CKC/FCI/SV do not require illustrations, but the parent club has had this wodnerful illustrated standard for many many years. While it is your personal belief that updating the illustrations is a change to the standard, it is just not the case. They are different entities. Standard ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================