Here's a couple of quick facts you can use to discourage your neighbors from breeding their bulldogs... 1.) ALL breedings are done by AI...this breed, almost without exception, cannot perform a natural breeding... 2.) All whelpings are by C-Section...if your neighbors "wait to see if she can whelp the puppies herself", they will probably lose their bitch...most breeders schedule C-Sections automatically... It's an expensive breed to get into, with c-sections & AI's on top of the stud fees and routine puppy expenses...there are reasons that pets sell for +$1500... As far as how the male moved(or didn't), go sit by the Bulldog ring at the next all-breed show you attend...the really good ones have a smooth fluid gait, but it doesn't even resemble anything you see in other rings... Donna Jourdan/WINDSWEPT Chinese Shar-Pei & German Shepherd Dogs sheppei@xxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================