> From: Katie Halfen <kthalfen@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > As a side note, I just want to say that if you think a birth defect > is caused by these antibiotics which are considered an "environmental > influence" and not a genetic defect-then the ENTIRE litter will be > affected because all the puppies are exposed to the same > environment-blood supply, nutrition, etc. as the rest of the pups. I'm sorry, but this is incorrect--sometimes an entire litter will be affected, but this is definitely not always the case. After all, "individual variation" is one of the hallmarks of toxicology (and medicine). While the entire litter may be exposed to a substantially similar environment, the puppies themselves are NOT identical. There are subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) genetic differences, some of which influence susceptibility to damage related to chemical exposures. When toxicity studies are carried out in pregnant laboratory animals (e.g. rabbits, mice, and rats), which are highly inbred and probably some of the most genetically and phenotypically uniform mammals in existence, you will often find only *some* litters are affected by the toxicant. This is due to individual variation of the dams. Then as regards the affected litters, any percentage of the offspring can be affected, and/or the severity of the effect can vary, as well. Of course, in an experimental setting, one has the advantage of both numbers and untreated "control" groups, so the chemical or whatever is being tested can be identified as the actual cause of the effect(s), i.e. death/resorptions, malformation, delayed/altered growth, and/or functional deficits. Unfortunately, real life often doesn't work this way. You cannot run statistical analyses on your one beloved bitch and her litter. Donna Fefee ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================