my post: no i don't think so and this skeem that someone put somewhere on the net as a comparison is not accurate. my one bitch's grdam is noch zugelassen per the SV but she is OFA GOOD HIPS at 35 months of age (hardly fair to poor now is it?) and normal elbows, CARINA VON DER WIENERAU. go ahead and look her up on www.offa.org. i had another bitch who was FAST NORMAL per the SV but GDC GOOD (GDC files are now all in the OFA database and were evaluated by American radiologits). sorry but the SV in at least these cases has been stricter than OFA. __________________________________________________________ my correction: the other bitch was GDC EXCELLENT and "a" FAST NORMAL. so again, the SV was by far stricter. susan http://www.sander-haus.com Home of Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs Quality West German Show Lines ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================