Well I am a believer in what ever it takes for the dogs not to bark and have our neighbour (numb nuts) as my better half calls him.... call me about my dog barking.. We have a boarder that comes that is a wild barker.. a very irritating bark... I made them get an electronic caller for him... Now when you say quiet he listens... All dogs know their distance limit of what you can reinforce.......this just extends your leash or your arm for you. Holly Woods Marrand Shepherds Williams Lake, B.C. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================