you are right i have a 7 month old male puppy that went to his first show at 6 months........ the judge did the temp test (he was a-ok) and immediately grabbed for his mouth and it was a struggle..........when he went back in for best puppy...........that same judge came up to him and he backed his head away,,,,,this is a sound puppy,,,,,,,,i could see this puppy's wheels turning and knew immediately he was pissed about the struggle with the teeth. At 6 months some of these pups mouths are still sore and you are right,,,,,,,sometimes they do not forget this attitude towards this first experience............... Amy Safdir Almanya Shepherds www.almanyagsd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Pruett" <pruett@xxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] avoidance for showing teeth > >At the Eukanuba show, it was mentioned that Dermot=20 >>had been pinched in the mouth by a judge during a mouth exam in a = > previous=20 >>show. He shied then. He now is quite "gun shy" about anyone coming = > near his=20 >>mouth. It was also hoped that it would be something he would "get over" = > and it=20 >>would not continue to occur. He is not a shy dog. Just around his = > mouth. =20 >>And, as was seen, he was his good ol' self the whole time. At that = > level of=20 >>competition, this could cost him plenty, no matter the reason. It is = > after=20 >>all, a DOG SHOW! > > This happens to be one of my pet peeves. It is so easy for our very smart > = > German Shepherd puppies to learn to be head shy because of our loose lead > = > temperament tests. So many judges reach first for the head to touch for = > temperament purposes and then go right to the teeth. Our youngsters have > = > sensitive mouths for quite a bit of their first year of life and are not = > always happy to have their mouths examined. The head ducking is often a = > learned response. Our adults aren't stupid either. For example, the week > = > before the Oregon national I had an all-breed judge go down my 12-18 month > = > bitch's throat to look at her teeth. She didn't like it much (and I can't > = > blame her) and remembered it well for quite while afterwards. =20 > Luckily Rita Sandell was smart enough to know the difference and tested = > her temperament again, concluding that she was fine and placed her in the > = > class at the national. That was My My - this year's RWB at the national = > and a happy, sound dog. But I did have to work with her for several = > months after the incident (Trotter was the judge I believe) with the = > teeth. I can totally sympathize with Dermot, his handler, and his owners. > = > Some judges seem unaware of the damage they they can do to otherwise = > sound (but not stupid) show dogs. > > Laurie > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL > BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================