Regarding the dog that bit the kid. There may be one thing to think about. Are they SURE the attack was unprovoked? Was the dog used to children? Had children patted him before ok? Was the dog surprised when the child went to pet him. Was the child in front or beside or behind the dog when he put his hand out to pet the dog? The dog could have seen this as a threat. You say that there is never a time when a dog should bite a child. Some children really are threats the way they act. I'm not saying this was the case here. I had boys tease a horse in the pasture making him terribly headshy. I got back a gsd 6 mos. old pup because he was herding the kids and that scared them. I believe no young child should be left alone with a big dog (or even small ones). It is natural for a pup to chase and bite at heels when a child runs. These kids were scared and the parent would not watch or correct or train either the dog or kids. I got him back. I sold a 5 mos. old gsd to people that I did not know lived with her sister who had a crawling baby. The pup had never seen a baby crawling before and growled at the baby. i told them to immediately return the dog as I knew there was a possibility of the dog biting in defense. And I knew if that happened, the dog would be put down. I got the dog back and resold it later and it turned out to be a wonderful and highly intelligent, very active dog. No problems with aggression. It was just that as a young dog/pup, she didn't understand a baby crawling on the floor like that and obviously considered it a threat. It never happened again. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances Anne, TN ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================