[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: and...Whites..again
- From: Pharaohs Revenge <pharaohsrevenge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:50:17 -0400
Can you explain to me how the whites have anything to do with color
experimentation? This is a color that helped establish the breed and has been
there from the beginning, not something somebody conjured up in their backyard.
This was a color that up until the 1960s was accepted in the breed ring and a
color that the founding father had no issue with and used to create the breed.
Many very influential GSD folks promoted and used whites in their breeding
programs. Eleanor Dodge and Lloyd Brackett to name a couple.
Why do I not want the dog to be a separate breed? Because we shouldn't deny the
white coat its heritage for no good reason. Besides that, separation will hurt
the white because the gene pool is small. I hear people complaining the GSD
gene pool is small so why splinter it even further? And you're incorrect, the
majority of the white GSD owners do not want to separate, they realize that
showing in conformation is not worth losing their heritage and gene pool.
Donna
From: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: pharaohsrevenge@xxxxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: and...Whites..again
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:32:04 -0700
I have no idea about health issues.....I've known some with many health
issues....but so do
many dark dogs...<G>
Without getting into all the utility purposes for the Breed (
i.e. white dogs at night for the Military,
and night time Police work, white Avalanche dogs hard to see, sheep having
problems identifying
a white dog pushing them....) Definitely
no harm in many cases either.....
But the standard for most Breeds were put together for a
purpose....and I believe our Breed and
Standard to be one of the best.......else how would we have such a great
and versatile Breed in the
work field. I think we should ALWAYS keep our mind
and eye and thinking about this Breed on
their working dog status when we make decisions and not turn it into a
color classes breed for the
sake of more entries at a show!
I think the white restriction has saved our breed from all the experiments
with color combinations that
would or could take place .....for the pure purpose of
marketing. i.e Panda Shepherds, 'silver
blues'
'champagne livers' etc..... I really believe the
restrictions enforces some control over the games some
would play for more dollars for something more
rare.
By the same thinking....I think the same restrictions with the white GSD
saves them and their white dogs
from the same type of experimentation and marketing.....after all....they
ARE required to be pure white!!
<G>
Someone explain to me how the white GSD is going to be harmed by
becoming it's own special
and specific breed and acquiring it's own special admiration and status in
the dog world?? Many
involved with the whites prefer that anyway......
I honestly think those with the white GSD needs to really be sure they know
what they want and ask for
for the pure salvation of their own lines and breedings.....and
color!
( in other words...it is not the white GSD I worry about so
much......but the 'dollars'...er.... people planning
the breedings.<G> )
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
From: Pharaohsrevenge To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent:
Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:40 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Whites
This is a great post Ken! The issue doesnt stop with just the white coat
either. There are plenty of people achieving great things and contributing to
the GSD breed with their "colored" dogs from whites. Personally, I
have a black and tan from a white that is an AKC and Can champion.
Evan and Ann have spoken of her in the past on here and can attest to her
quality (sorry to put you on the spot Evan and Ann) I know of other white
factored dogs with AKC champ points. There's a black and tan from a white
that holds the record in dock diving for GSDs. There's many that compete in
rally and obedience successfully. So whites do contribute to the GSD breed in
more ways than many of you even realize. If their colored offspring are able to
be part of this breed and be successful showing the versatility of the GSD
breed, how can their white parent be considered anything but a GSD? And
why not give them equal rights? Donna
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Adding
a color variety would not at all detract from the working aspects of the breed.
What it would do is increase participation and club
membership. White GSDs are just as capable working dogs as any
other color.
We have at least three factions now (seriously, you know we
do----specialty, all breed, obedience, comeon), so
this is nothing new. What we need to do now is unite. We need to unite all
German Shepherds.
Our National should include all German Shepherds, American, German, and
yes, White GSDs.
Time has proven that there is no good reason to separate. It
has not served us well. Ken
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On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Why would we want this
Breed to be split into color or coat Class Divisions???
This is a working
> Breed and our Standard is built around that
cause......not colors and coat textures for appearances
> sake in
the show ring. HOW will "Class divisions" improve the
German Shepherd Dog and what
> it is bred to be??
> When the GSD
cease to become the strong versitile working Breed....and is featured &
judged by
> a color / coat division we will have lost this Breed.
>
The people involved in the white GSD have three 'factions' that do not agree on
what should be
> done with their white GSD. How do you
expect our Parent Club and AKC and even our own
> membership that does not
agree on this .....to solve their problem?
> IF we lose members over
this......then it would be because those that would be members for the
>
sole purpose of whatever their agenda is .......of the three factions with the
whites.
>
> IF we love this Breed ......WE should ALL be concerned
about the membership in this Parent Club
> and quit being so willing to
attack our own!!! Particularly over coat and
color!!
>
>
> The problems with this Breed is not in whether a
white can be SHOWN.> This is a GREAT BREED
> with the
Standard as it is......lets put forth this effort for the truly> serious
problems.like puppy
> mills, bad dog laws and some health issues..... and
stay true to the> Standard we have.
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.Marhaven.com
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