I do think the rear should be expressed a little longer, but the standard also says something to the effect that all long bones should be much the same length, making the rear the same size as the front, thus the illustration as it is. ---------------------------------- From the standard: "The upper thigh bone parallels the shoulder blade while the lower thigh bone parallels the upper arm. " It is not my intention to single anyone out. I do think though, that too often people refer to their memory, rather than the standard itself, as they draw conclusions about what the breed should be. The only words in the standard that compare front to rear are the ones above. They are referring to angle, and not at all to the length of the bones. In my opinion, the old Illustrated Standard needs work, and the illustrations for the recent attempt to do that were faulty. An illustrator for a project like that must have one of two traits. They should either have an unbiased desire to interpret the standard as correctly as possible into pictures, working openly with the committee, or they should have no knowledge of the breed at all, and then follow the instructions given by the committee to the letter as they do their work. It is as unlikely that someone with a bias against any specific group of dogs could draw the standard, as it is for any one of us who believes our dog is "correct" to admit that someone else's dog is the better example of the standard. All I can say is that I believe everyone should get out copies of the standard and study. Don't just read the words. Try to understand why the various parts are what they are. If you can do that, you will gain a real understanding of what the breed is intended to be. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================