Thanks Nancy. My question (posting to the list because I love the abuse) - why would we allow dogs to be entered in both venues. If it holds true that good/great dogs should win no matter who the handler is, wouldn't it be a given that the futurity winner should also win the amateur futurity; assuming of course, that it's closest competition wasn't also entered? Perhaps I don't understand the point to the amateur futurity, but I thought it was a place for fat, old, out of shape breeders to get off their bums and and exhibit their own dogs much to the amusement and entainment of their much smarter peers and the professionals. I hummed and hawed about entering one of my bitches in the amateur futurity just to expose myself to a little exercise, and now I'm pretty thankful I didn't. :o) Cindy cinosamgsd.com Nancy Harper <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Please keep comments coming regarding the Amateur Venue. As this is the first year, we are just experiencing what we might need to do to refine the rules - certainly it appears we need to allow Juniors to compete in the Amateur regardless of who the Parents or other household members might be. As was apply pointed out Juniors cannot be paid anyway by virtue of the fact that they ARE JUNIORS. I am sure that other changes will be made along the way. There have been many changes along the way with Futurity/Maturity System throughout the years. Remember when we could only show in the Region in which the litter was nominated? How about the year we tried having the Futurities all on the same date? Then there was the time when the PC Board voted on the names submitted by the Regional Clubs. We have to be flexible enough to go with the flow and I welcome new suggestions. Perhaps the Amateur should be for Juniors ONLY. Let's keep trying to see what works. Nancy Harper National Futurity Chair. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] amat fut/prof handlers kids Being a handler myself, and having kids, I think it would be great to allow our kids/brothers/sisters/moms/dads to compete! If they are juniors, they cant accept $$ anyway, and it would be a great incentive to them....often, being kids/family memers of handlers , they are in the shadows and dont want to handle because they cant compete with mom or dad (either that or they want to beat them lol) and if they do, it is not with the open dog or bitch or special, it is with the "filler" or to take back in an underclass dog for winners. What an honor for them to take in the main dog! A chance to show what they can do! Look at what happened with Les and Donna when they let Olivia show Sprite as a special! (i think that was the bitches name?) This is the kind of thing we need to get our kids motivated and excited about handling, cause pretty soon we are gonna be too old! Maggie Marshall Aeval German Shepherds http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html Website Updated 03/21/2007 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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