I have a suggestion for those who dislike all breed judges and the size of the rings.....Consider, if possible, joining your local all breed club and helping to bring about positive changes! Since there is no specialty club in my area, I am very active in the 2 local all breed clubs...We recently had our first four day cluster and the GSD ring was plenty big. We drew a 5 point entry with all breed judges.......Quality all breed judges are out there, and if you join the club, you could help in choosing them! Judging slates with only specialty judges will work well too, depending on the location and the weekend........I've met a lot of nice folks in the all breed clubs.....Even though I am a specialty person at heart, I love my all breed friends :-) Cyndi www.carettigsd.com <http://www.carettigsd.com/> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================