[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: a question to the board/membership

  • From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:00:42 +0000 (UTC)

now THAT we are in agreement....lol...Ed 
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From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 12:48:18 PM 
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: a question to the board/membership 

AND........even if it were meant to be whites only.........no one who adheres 
to the Standard should have the authority to choose to pick and choose WHICH 
disqualifying fault does not matter?? 


Carolyn    marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
www.Marhaven.com 


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  Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:56 AM 
  Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: a question to the board/membership 


  Respectfully Bart, you say below (quoting) 
   
  "Any animal with disqualifying faults other that color will still NOT be   
  allowed to compete for Parent club titles" 
   
  That is NOT what the BOG says. 
   
  Quoting the BOG: 
   
  "The board voted to allow all AKC-registered German Shepherd Dogs,   
  regardless of color or other disqualifying physical faults, to be eligible 
to   
  compete for the titles of Agility, Herding and Obedience Victor/Victrix at 
the   
  national trials." 
   
  For the record, because I know not all board members are on the list (and 
  
  this has been a hot topic for the past two days), I strongly object to any 
  dog  with a DQ being awarded these titles at our national.  I find this 
  
  decision to be in direct contradiction to our club's mission statement. 
   
  From the "Mission" statement of the GSDCA; The purposes for which the   
  Corporation was formed are: 
  2) To define precisely and publish  definition of the true type, and to 
  urge the adoption of such types on 
  breeders, judges, dog show committees, etc., as the only recognized and   
  unvarying standard by which 
  the German Shepherd Dog is to be  judged, and which may in the future be 
  uniformly accepted as the 
  sole standard of excellence in breeding and AWARDING PRIZES OF  MERIT; 
   
  I don't have a problem w/ whites.  Either embrace them or let them go  to 
  do their own thing. 
   
  I don't have a problem with a dog with a (breed) DQ competing in AKC   
  events.  I don't have a problem with a mixed breed dog competing and being 
  
  honored in AKC events. God Bless. They can be wonderful dogs.  A dog with 
a  DQ 
  can be a wonderful dog, but it can NOT, by definition be a good example of 
a   
  GSD and should not under any circumstances be awarded top honors at our   
  national. 
     
   
  Kathy Salvucci, member GSDCA, DVGSDC 
  Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd  Champions 

  visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)   

   
  In a message dated 2/9/2012 2:34:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
  gsdchablis@xxxxxxx writes: 

  I also  voted in favor of the motion. The D & A on a white is the same as 
a 
  Black  and tan, a Black, a sable, a Blue or a Liver colored shepherd. The 
  purpose of  this motion was NOT to allow all animals with disqualification 
to 
  compete for  Parent club titles. It was to be fair those owners who wish 
to 
  support the  GSDCA that happen to own pure breed white GSD. The only 
reason 
  that Whites  were denied the oppertunity  to be competitive was because 
one 
  almost won  the Obedience Victor or Victrix at one of the national held in 
  Calif a while  back. Any animal with disqualifing faults other that color 
  will still NOT be  alowed to compete for Parent club titles, As for being 
  guardians of the  breeds, the most important factor of our breed is not 
color, 
  it's BRAINS. Any  thing that promotes the porformance of the German 
Shepherd 
  Dog is important.  And while blues, livers, and whites are the results of 
  ressives genes that are  undesireable, there temperment, attitude and 
  trainability should not 
  be curtailed. This is just my opinion and the reason I voted as I did. 
  Bart  Bartley 





  -----Original Message----- 
  From: pagairs  <pagairs@xxxxxxx> 
  To: Bokenkampgsd1 <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>;  showgsd-l 
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  Sent: Thu,  Feb 9, 2012 12:50 pm 
  Subject: Re: a question to the  board/membership 


  As did the majority of the Board, I voted in favor  of the motion. 

  Gary 







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  From: Bokenkampgsd1 <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> 
  To:  showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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  linnloch  <linnloch@xxxxxxxxxxx>; cbattaglia <cbattaglia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
 nancy 
  <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; GSDCHABLIS  <GSDCHABLIS@xxxxxxx>; LauraEG 
  <LauraEG@xxxxxxx>; rob-n-dine  <rob-n-dine@xxxxxxxxxxx>; LEWIEB 
  <LEWIEB@xxxxxxx>; pagairs  <pagairs@xxxxxxx>; nancy 
<nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; jmoses0924   
  <jmoses0924@xxxxxxx>; SCHARO1 <SCHARO1@xxxxxxx>; wynsum  <wynsum@xxxxxxx>; 
  Ginialtman <Ginialtman@xxxxxxx>; fk.fasano  <fk.fasano@xxxxxxxxx>; vpgsdca 
  <vpgsdca@xxxxxxx>; norberge  <norberge@xxxxxxx>; ekolan1 
<ekolan1@xxxxxxx>; 
  janandmort  <janandmort@xxxxxxx> 
  Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 12:13 pm 
  Subject: a  question to the board/membership 


  Regarding the motion to allow  whites to received the performance victor 
  awards......... 


  Don't you  feel seeing a GSD (white, floppy ears etc) with a current 
  disqualification  according to the standard on the cover of the REVIEW 
perhaps 
  winning the  highest performance award is contrary to your appointment as 
  guardians of the  breed standard? 

  Molly 

  Trillia German Shepherds since  1972 
  Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont, lifetime member CKC 
  "Blessed  are the cracked, for they let in the  light" 




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