Very good points, Diane. I worked with a vet that was also a Great Dane breeder. He opened my eyes to the practice of "tacking" and how common a practice it was/is in the Great Dane community, and most extra large breeds for that matter. However, he also shared that people talk very openly about it and it was/is a practice directed at saving dogs lifes and preventing suffering to those dogs, more than to deceive breeders. Of course (as he said with a smile), the accuracy of that statement can only be determined by the moral compass of those involved. Generally speaking, when he dealt with these large breed dogs for spaying and neutering, they got tacked. End of story. These dogs didn't directly affect their breeds because they are being removed from the breeding pool. Tacking does not prevent a dog from bloating or torsioning. It does, however, offers the vet extra precious minutes to try and save the animal's life. Some dogs torsion so badly that the tacking actually creates more damage by tearing more tissue. I witnessed this in a Great Dane and an English Bulldog. Both died. You learn a lot working at a vet office, sadly sometimes. Also, his policy was that any dog from a large or extra large breed (over 50 pounds) that was brought into the hospital with gastric issues and distended stomachs were to be considered bloat/torsion victims until proven otherwise. That would raise the sense of urgency needed to quickly triage and deal with that animal, and even if many dogs proved not to be B/T patients, the expedited service was, ultimately, beneficial. I know, I know, many are talking about animals that have B/T and are still being bred, or offered at stud. Sadly, the rumor mill is always working. Jealousy plays a big part. Its not always true, but its not always a lie. Who can you trust?? Judging by the amount of private emails I have gotten today, many share your view. Animals that are bred or used as studs that have been altered, be it color, teeth, tails, ears, whatever. In addition, animals that are taking a numerous amount of medications (thyroid, enzymes,petcalm) to be "healthy" and "sound", animals that produce mega, bad bites, missing teeth, name it. Why? Ego. My original post required simply a yes or no answer. But it was distorted to offer all kind of reasoning and excuses, and also some interesting posts about "partial" spaying. <G> My favorite..."is that like being a little bit pregnant"...... Is the sky falling? No. Are all these practices damaging our breed? Yes. * Ileana * . In a message dated 1/25/2013 2:01:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx writes: The GSD standard is clear and AKC rules and regs are (sort of) clear; they leave little room for confusion re showing/judging a neutered dog. Neuticals aside, (and that's a whole other subject), there is little room for debate re a dog being "whole" or not. But that made me wonder ... how many spayed bitches are being shown? Unlike the males, those girls have no obvious signs of their reproductive status so how is a judge to know? And THAT got me thinking again ... a dangerous thing. What about those dogs who are shown with fixed ears, tails, bites, enhanced color etc? Those are true cover-ups and do the breed no good whatsoever. But it gets worse. What about dogs who have or have had serious health issues which have been surgically corrected and/or prevented? I am especially referring to gastric B/T and/or preventative gastropexy being done to prevent B/T? Rules may be rules but, good grief, don't we have some moral obligation to the breed? A dog who has or has had a major health issue like B/T should, IMHO, not be promoted, bred or stood at stud so why would they continue to be shown? Just curious, Diane ================================================================== From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx To: inquestgsd@xxxxxxx, barbara17236@xxxxxxx CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 1/24/2013 9:05:09 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Showing spayed or neutered animals Thank You .....a couple of new exhibitors can now show their lovely bitch in VETERANS, and not in BOB, since now they have been gently educated. Next, to help them find a new dog to show in regular classes. :-) * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com_ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) Skater's Blog ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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