.........It is now my understanding that the Herding Victor/Obedience Victor are non regular awards...much like Grand Victor and Select....the whole debate about dogs with disqualifying faults competing for Herding V and ObedienceV have hit strong nerves on each side of the issue...my knowledge on award rules is shaky at best so I'm not sure this idea of mine would be acceptable to the club......to compete for GV and Select a GSD must first have those 15 points with two majors ( I've only done that once lol)...well what if we offered a Herding V and Obedience V only if the highest scoring dog/bitch was an AKC GERMAN SHEPHERD CHAMPION?....if the highest scoring dog is NOT a champion the award goes as High in trial and no Victor award is given?........thus we protect the purpose and integrity behind the title of Victor/Victrix...and again I was on the side of eliminating the disqualifying fault rule, and I also admitted I was very close to sitting on the fence ( something I rarely do)........and changing the subject...I'd love to cut the number of board directors....which again is all the more reason to have term limits!....Ed Hill   ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================