This whole "argument" started by someone stating an OPINION about this wonderful breed. That opinion was why not work this working breed. Why not get the heck out there and let them show that they can indeed work. It was NOT an accusation, it was an opinion/thought. Some have the time, and they do it. Others are booked up, and they can't. I'm of the opinion that as long as you work the mind of this oh so intelligent dog in whatever venue you choose, right on! Use that intelligent mind. What an utter waste of a life if you don't. Work the mind, work the mind, work the mind. It is a beautiful thing when a dog looks at you and "gets" it!! I have a rescue pup that came to me at approx? 6 months old. He learned how to sit and behave from the other guys in 1 day. Yep, he parked his arse down for that liver bit. It took him a bit to grasp "heel" ( he preferred to herd me from behind ) but the moment he got it, a light went on. Damn! It's a beautiful thing! Work the mind. Colleen Donnelly InquestGSD@xxxxxxx wrote: Most people on THIS list are confirmation enthusiasts. If that is a problem, you can always leave this list and join a working list. I bet you won't see us there pretending we know what we are talking about. I don't need a title to validate my dogs for me. On either end. I like to show in the breed ring. My dogs are trained to my satisfaction. If I went by your rationale, all working dogs without a CH in front are worthless. I happen to know that is not true. You come across small minded. JMO Ileana In 7/8/2005 7:46:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, susan-sullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Using the "I don't have time" reason is pretty pathetic for not working a dog. Yes it may take a great deal of time to do herding (driving to the farm, not the actual training time...one can put an HT or PT on in less than six lessons with most dogs) or tracking or even agility, but good heavens, you can spend 15 minutes a day for three days a week and get a CD. And if you can't, the dog is either not very trainable or the handler is totally incompetent and probably shouldn't be allowed out on the street without supervision! You don't have to even be slightly physically fit to do a CD. I've seen people in wheelchairs and with oxygen strapped to them to be able to breath get CDs, and Novice Rally is even easier for heaven's sake! Most people on this list don't want to do performance or they would already be doing something else with their dogs. That is their prerogative. But don't tell me that time is the problem. That is an excuse. Susan ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED BETTERMENT REGISTRY The only way to understand & estimate the nature of the dog is to study his whole development. Such a task requires a sympathetic, dog-loving observer, who tries as far as possible to enter into the innermost mind of the dog, and who will know how to short-circuit all his purely human points of view. --Max von Stephanitz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================