Hi all, actually, I think its a good thing when the entries lack merit and more judges should have the balls to do so. When I judged horses, I have only withheld ribbons only twice. Once in a spotted saddle horse class where of the 16 horse not ONE single horse gave me a correct gait either way of the ring, so when my ribbon girl came up with the ribbons, I made a point to take 1-4 off the bracket, started the class at 5 and gave an oral critique at the microphone. The other time was in a large equitation class (which is near and dear to my heart) in florida where they were "riding to get a ribbon and did not equitate) so I started the class off at 3rd place. In horses, this means you cannot show back in the championship classes as I didnt feel any of the kids riding has the skills and horsemanship (or turn out) to be considered an equitation champion. This year, in dogs, I had a class Bichon Frise. He was a pet. I told the owner, but they still wanted him shown. Granted, he had a great show attitude and a lot of of white hair. ( I had to trim this dogs underline with a 15 blade), not ONE judge withheld on the dog and they should have. I did have an instance in Southern CA where he was the only class dog and there were 14 class bitches and the judge looked at me for the breed and said, "Honey, I love you, but even I cant do this..." . I just smiled and said, "neither could I"... I did manage to put 6 points on the dog before they decided to stop. And here I was planning a trip to puerto rico with pups to get those majors! LOL Mike ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================