Ok, here is my also humble opinion. This judge obviously has his/her own interests at heart. Doesn't want to piss any one off so he/she will continue to get judging assignments. This is NOT a loss to our breed. Yes, people will get upset when their dog doesn't win, but not an issue when a dog of equal or better quality wins. Ok, they may gripe and not admit it but I bet they would show under the same judge again with a different or improved dog. As I would do. KNow the judges likes/dislikes and enter accordingly. The judge you mentioned is a coward and doesn't know the breed. I would not give this judge my entry. That said, I have shown under a judge or two that withheld ribbons. Again, IMHO, the judge was correct. One dog limping, the other a very sweet pet, but not a show dog. One more was my own dog, a German girl. She tried but is NOT a show dog. This was in my early, early time with GSD's. The judge was right. My girl had no business being in that ring. She was the only one in her class and the ribbon was withheld. I was sad but not stupid. She has gone on to become and awesome dog, just not in the ring. (2004 Hero Dog, Good Will Ambassador) Hope this answers you question. IMHO this judge is an idiot! Laura Thomas http://www.treasureranchgsds.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================