It would seem to me that this judge's procedure should have been brought = to the attention of the show superintendent or the show secretary. = Based on my long ago review of AKC guidelines, the AKC is very concerned = about "image" and how the public perceives dogs shows. I would think = that the AKC would not want to hear that some child, decided to emulate = the judges temperament test at home, and that child subsequently gets = nailed.=20 A few extracts from the AKC's website follow: "Judging The Dogs": .."With this authority comes the responsibility to be thoughtful and = considerate. Be as systematic in your ring procedure from dog to dog and = class to class as conditions permit." Emphasis on thoughtful and = considerate..... "You should avoid theatrical movements or making inappropriate comments = to ringside. Be polite, but generally limit your conversation with = exhibitors to instructions on positioning or gaiting the dogs." = emphasis on "avoid theatrical movements" "Individual Examination of Dogs Examine every dog in approximately the = same systematic manner, even if a poor specimen may clearly be out of = the ribbons. Approach dogs calmly. Examine with gentleness of touch and = with no sudden, surprising gestures. One satisfactory approach is to = begin with the mouth and head, then systematically work down the neck, = front, shoulders, body, and hindquarters. It is not necessary to = determine soundness by forcibly raising and dropping front or = hindquarters or applying pressure on the hocks." Emphasis on "Approach = dogs calmly. Examine with gentleness of touch and with no sudden, = surprising gestures." Its probably too late to do anything about this now, but I think = comments should be forwarded to the AKC. Michael Cheeks TRAFALGAR German Shepherds Msg: #2 in digest From: ROBINHAUSGSD@xxxxxxx Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:03:55 EST Subject: Re: Wierd judges In a message dated 11/15/04 8:53:44 PM Central Standard Time, = EJDegen@xxxxxxx writes: He did no temperament test at all in the classes and it was only in Winners (dogs) that he did it. He only had 2 class winners in there. = I didn't see his complete "test" on the first dog, I was playing with my = girl outside the ring and looked up and over at him as he was STOMPING down = the mat quickly at the 1st dog and reaching for it. I watched him then and he = sent the next dog on the down and back. When the dog was about 1/2 way back (in = the middle of the ring), then he put his arms out to the sides, hunched = over and very quickly STOMPED and almost ran at the dog. Neither of the dogs in = the Winners class held their ground. He's lucky they were softer dogs and didn't attack him.=20 This entire episode is ridiculous and he should not be judging the breed = !!!! and I used to think he was a decent judge !!! We need to do something about the impression that most of these people = have of our breed. If I personally run in to him somewhere I will give him a piece of my = mind about what he did. I think somebody needs to talk to this man. There = is no excuse for his actions. And I do judge the breed !! Pat Robinson ROBINHAUS ------------------------------ End of showgsd-l Digest V1 #101 ******************************* ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the Poster and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original poster AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical help and administrative matters, please contact the List Administrators at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================