[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why vote? (was Why I will never vote to change the Whi...
- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
- To: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx, caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx, rautt75@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT)
I learned they are pretty serious about testing for MDR1.
We know this is usually something common in dogs w/ white feet, aussies,
collies, etc. maybe one of the white breeders could expand if it is
something color linked.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 10/30/2013 9:43:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
InquestGSD@xxxxxxx writes:
I was afraid your sarcasm was going to go unnoticed... of course, no one
SHOULD breed to undesirable traits. Besides the color, what other
undesirable
traits are present on white dogs? Anyone? not that there are white,
that's too easy, and, as some have pointed out, not enough, as the gene
is
already present and existent. That's what many are missing....whites are
already part of the gene pool.
Will every breeder be willing to have their stock DNA'd, and spay or
neuter
those animals that are found to carry the white gene? I sure as hell hope
not.
Maybe this will bring awareness to those breeding other non desirable
traits, harder to point because they blend in.
This is not a fight, or shouldn't be. This should be an excellent learning
opportunity. Those who don't want to talk to me because I like white dogs,
what a shame. I also like poodles, wire fox terriers, japanese chins
and
corgis. I guess I am going to hell....lol
Ileana
In a message dated 10/30/2013 9:29:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
It has nothing to do with what whites produce or what colored dogs
produce. It has to do with what traits are considered desirable or
undesirable.
The white color along with an undershot jaw (and other traits) according
to
our breed standard in effect for many years is considered an undesirable
DQ. There are those of us who although are not that vocal, feel
strongly
that the current standard is correct and should remain the same.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Anne Utter <rautt75@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> White coats do not produce any more of the undesirable traits than do
the coloreds.
> How can you even put these in the category with undershot jaw etc.
This reasoning does not make sense.
> Anne
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Cyndi Flautt <caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> What harm would it do to include dogs with an undershot jaw? They can
still eat and they are German Shepherds.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Anne Utter <rautt75@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> turn that around - what HARM would it do to include whites ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If someone could explain to me what good it would do for our current
gene pool to include whites I could rationalize all this.
>>>> Joan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:31 PM, "InquestGSD@xxxxxxx"
<InquestGSD@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Meaning no disrespect to anyone, but neither Jim nor Randy were
there
when
>>>> the changes happened. All they are sharing is their interpretations,
and I
>>>> applaud them for taking the time.
>>>>
>>>> If I may, I will suggest that before anyone jumps on either of the
side's
>>>> emotional bandwagons, do your homework, and read the following books:
>>>>
>>>> -The German Shepherd Dog (Capt v Stephanitz)
>>>> -The German Shepherd Dog, a genetic history of the breed. (Malcolm
Willis)
>>>> -This is the German Shepherd (Goldbecker/Hart)
>>>> -The German Shepherd Dog (Ernest Hart)
>>>>
>>>> Why are WGSDs allowed to register?? Why does AKC accept their
>>>> registration? Because they are German Shepherds.
>>>>
>>>> I have found no real scientific evidence to justify the supposed
fear
of
>>>> poor health on the white GSD's, only a lot of misunderstanding.
Stephanitz
>>>> shared that faded color was (in his opinion, no science) a sign of
poor
>>>> health, but even he admitted that white was not the same as faded.
>>>>
>>>> I understand ( I think ) the deal about Obedience Victor. Allow me
to
>>>> present a different point. Remember the first dog you got? You had
no
idea of
>>>> rules, standards, politics, etc. You just loved your dog. And it was
that dog
>>>> that imprinted in you the love for the breed. At that point, all
things
>>>> were secondary, yup, even color. All that matter was that you loved
your
>>>> German Shepherd.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I feel if an entry is good enough for the money, it
should be
>>>> good enough for the prize.
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