Did you see the AKC Registation papers on the dog to know they were GSD's as a child you see things differently. But still the fact is they were never a German Shepherd Dog, only shepherd dogs owned by shepherd's. What is today was not in the beginning of the breed. It was created by dogs of past of another breed. Otherwise they would not look another breed. It would be interesting to know why Dr Nuff left UC Davis shortly after the Panda discovery. Theresa -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 10/30/13, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why vote To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2013, 12:58 PM I am not 100 years old....and I saw a FEW Piebald GSD when I was younger. They are not new....they are just NEWLY MARKETED now. I have in the past had some conversations with their "founder"....<G> Like whites...they have the same DNA as our GSD...and are not riddled with health problems...and they don't carry the gene for albino. Does not mean we should accept them as one of the colors of our Breed! Those that breed them are not concerned with the Standard and because they are breeding for specific color or markings they no longer resemble our Breed. The GSD Standard is not a concern for the Panda breeder..never has been. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================