Not exactly related but this brings up a point about entries. When I first started showing; specialty shows still could have 20 dogs in a class. Years and years ago they had 50 or more.......were all of those dogs capable of finishing their championship? If not, why did these people bother showing? Were they clueless as to the quality of their dogs or was it something else? Answering that question might help in determining why entries are so low and what we can do about it. Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Bad Behavior, or Why our Clubs are dying out... To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:10 AM Hi Guys I had to sit, at llength and think about this. I had to cool off. I had to take several deep breaths.... I had to tone down what I really wanted to say, because not to do so would mean using the letter replacing asterisks, and figures on the PC keyboard, used to substitute "colorful metaphors". I had to pace, and grit my teeth and feel utterly dejected...and now I am just plain angry.... A dear Friend of ours, who has owned a beloved GSD in years past, who now owns a big boned, easy moving , sweet male of show lines , a male who is not a Select dog, but is a fine dog, nonetheless, who has won classes as a puppy and young adult, and is adored by his family. This is a dog that IS an ambassador to the breed, handsome, happy and dearly loved.... His owner, (our friend) a very well educated man, a man whose very livelyhood and job is all about detail, and engineering, and specifications...a man with a brilliant mind and sharp memory, and big heart...a man that we are HONORED to call "Friend" A man with whom we share a love of the GSDs, and humor, and life in general.... He was visiting our house last night, and as usual, talk was of dogs, esp the up and coming youngsters, as well as about his dogs... the beautiful GSD, and the arrogant, funny pomeranian...lol This friend of ours began to speak of someone from the local area, whom we are well acquainted with (and no, I will not tell you this inviduals name so don't ask) He asked "I noticed that some people seem to lack social graces or just good manners at the shows" He went on to say, "Most are at least decent, but there are some that just seem to not care what they say to people?" We told him, "well there are those in everything, any venue, but yes, dogshows too" He went on to say, "Remember when I came to the _______ shows?" There was that person (name here) that you said had been in shepherds for many , many years, and you had introduced me to him/her before".... Well, I was standing there next to (_name here_____) and he/she pointed at my dog while talking to someone next to them, and said , quote "Now this is an example of a dog that will NEVER win in the ring" end quote . Then, our dear Friend said, "I was shocked, and more than a little put off" Afterall, I came there *by invitation* to bring my dog, and to learn and enjoy the shows. I am pretty sure we all love our dogs, and to have someone that is supposedly a long standing exhibitor breeder say such a hurtful thing was just EVIL..." (his words, not mine) He furthered with , " It is a good thing I am not too thin skinned about things, but really, it was just so mean, and nasty. I was going to tell you guys, but being new, I didn't want to stir up any bad feelings" This person, our Friend, is a lovely individual. He ADORES his GSD, whom he has had shown a time or two and has even had the COURAGE to show himself, despite some physical challenges. He has been ridiculed, and now the with person that did this.....MY GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE????? This is a man that only wants to enjoy his dog, to learn, to enjoy the company of people that SUPPOSEDLY love the breed. He was treated like sh*t . He was made to feel inferior. All this by a person that is perhaps one of the poorest sports in the area. By a person who leaves in a huff if they lose...or who has stood at ringside during a class win by another dog and pronounced, in a tantrum regarding the winning dog "THATS A PIECE OF SH....!!!" Where owners, spectators and handlers could hear, at least 20 feet away. I hope that person reads this, and realizes the damage they do, like others. :Look down the line at your next specialty show Folks, at the aging faces and grey hair and realize we are about 15 years or less from OBLIVION on some of these clubs. TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA THAT INSIST ON BEING NASTY TO NEWCOMERS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.... WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU, YOU ARE ONLY HURTING THE BREED AND THE CLUBS YOU CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU CAN'T GET NEW MEMBERS????? I am sickened by this. No wonder new people don't want to join us........I don't blame them, and I will be hard pressed to EVER want invite another person to a show around here, given the treatment they get from IDIOTS, like this. I want to throw up. Now how to apologize to our friend for putting such a nice person (by our invitation, no less), into a den of friggi'n vultures? How to fix the damage? AAAAAAAAAARGH. I AM HEARTBROKEN....I CAN ONLY IMAGINE OUR OUR GENTLE FRIEND MUST HAVE FELT....I AM SO DAMN SORRY. Kathy Tank http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com ~or~ http://www.germanshepherdssocal.com PUP-DATED: JUNE 14, 2009 Home of: CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. 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