[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why aren't you including everyone...here's why!!
- From: "Chris S. Kimerer" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
- To: "hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:24:08 -0700
Very well said Christine! That's the problem I have with some of the posts
written here from time to time. All too often quick to point the finger and
yet not involved in what's being criticized.
Unfortunately it seems to be the overall trend in society these days, so it's
no surprise that a dog list would be part of that as well. :)
Chris
Chris S. Kimerer
Hillside-Tanbark Kennels http://www.tanbarkgsd.com/
"where good bloodlines never die"
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> From: Hickoryhill <hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; midwall@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:24 PM
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why aren't you including everyone...here's why!!
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>To be honest, when I saw that the enlightening conversation of "Brackett's
>theory" had transformed into the ad nauseum discussion of "white" dogs I
>looked at the computer and rolled my eyes and began my mass delete, however
>the below post was was part of another post that I had read and it got my
>attention only to the degree that it irritated me. It is not unfair to ask
>those who haven't finished two champions to refrain from rendering an opinion.
>People can "claim" anything, but what proof is there of their knowledge?That's
>like my saying I know about schutzhund and I breed dogs that can do schutzhund
> more correctly than those who acutally have schutzhund dogs. Yet I have never
>bred a dog that earned the title, never competed with any dog that earned the
>title, but I still know without any tangible proof, that I am breeding dogs
>that can do schutzhund. If this sound ridiculous, that is because it IS
>ridiculous! To tout myself as a person
worthy of
>rendering an opinion on something that I know nothing about is, in my opinion
>disrespectful to those who DO have first had knowledge of the subject matter.
>Although I might think my dogs could do the work, I would never suggest to
>ANYONE nor would I promote my dogs as capable of doing that work, UNTIL I had
>earned the right to do so. I expect the same courtesy and humility, from those
>who have never competed in AKC conformation events for GSD's or who are
>novice. For the record, Steve and I NEVER voted for obedience judges for the
>national nor did we vote on any changes to the by-laws or rules that would
>affect performance events. We did not compete in performance anymore and were
>not familiar with the judges or what affect changing rules might have on the
>particiapnts, therefore we believed our opinion to be "unqualified" and to
>vote would be "unfair" to those who did participate. Is this really too much
>to ask, to suggest that those who do not
>participate, or do not have experience under their belts to refrain from
>input?? Christine
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>PS a championship does not necessarily equate with the dog being the ideal to
>the standard, as many finish that lack merit, however many working dogs attain
>titles they should receive either, both systems for evaluation are flawed as
>they allow for "interpretation" by either a judge or evaluator, which can lead
>to corruption. This allows inferior animals to attain titles, be it a
>championship or working that perhaps should never have been awarded.
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>This survey is not helpful or relevant.
>Excluding the people who breed and exhibit in venues other
>than confirmation is really not fair. Many of these people
>breed as close if not closer to the standard than
>confirmation exhibitors. They also make sure their dogs are
>capable of the work they ask of the them (mind and
>body).
>Excluding people who have not bred two champions is rather
>elitist and excludes new people or people who don't breed
>but show, or who are just starting out their breeding
>program. Being new, exhibiting, or breeding rarely or being
>new does not mean that we are ignorant of pedigrees or do
>not have an opinion about the inclusion or exclusion of
>whites or coats or anything else that pertains to the breed.
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>As for the ballot... lumping the two issues together is
>going to be problematic... and the club will still be in a
>pickle.
>Regardless of where you fall on these two issues, it does
>not appear that a single ballot will serve the membership
>well, nor will excluding anyone from participating.
>Michelle Wallismidwall@xxxxxxxxxxx
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