However long coated dogs, or open coated as I was taught as a young child, need lots of grooming. But I know of dogs that were more than worth the effort, and I would do it too. Sheila Emilie <windvane@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: What's this a snip here and a snip there?LOL I finished Yankee with hours and days of work with a groom king, thinning shears, and scissors. You must have a easier way than I ever found!. but they ARE usually the best in the litter. He was reserve Futurity male PNW and Canada. and high Agate obedience 2 high in trials, for his C.D. Emilie ----- Original Message ----- From: "RivendellP" To: "Kris Kudel" ; ; Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why Champions-odds Paul, forgive me as I am a newbie.....I thought long coats are not to be bred, they are not in acceptable standard. ????? Hi Kris... No...it's considered a fault of coat. Some people have actually finished long coat shepherds albeit with a snip, snip here and a snip, snip there. In our experience...long coated animals tend to be very good. In many instances...picks of the litter in intelligence...temperament...and motion. I know of breeders who have lists of prospective buyers who want long coats because of the reasons I've mentioned. In order to get long coats both sire and dam need to carry the gene. The only way to tell is to breed a dog you believe does not carry the coat factor to a coat. For example...our newest CH Molly's mother Sachet is a long coat. Bred to our stud dog Brando she has not produced a long coat either breeding. Brando has not produced a coat even bred to other bitches who have produced coats so it is obvious he does not carry that factor or gene. Hope that heps ya... Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ Sheila of Miami Mernydex GSD's Loving Obedience Dog Training --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================