Most all-breed judges are not"students" of the GSD..just as we are not students of their respective breeds. Therefore the all-breed GSD must meet a certain criteria that will be acceptable to the majority of judges who don't really know the breed. In nearly every breed..good feet, strong pasterns, straight bone, clean coming and going, only moderate angulation in the rear and a good head piece with allot of expression are important. Add to this standing and baiting. with GSD's I have found and heard from many with all-breed experience that most judges prefer a typical black and tan saddle back, a dark eye, sidegait only has to be adequate at best and softer backs are often forgiven. If you think about it..many breeds are not judged on motion but on standing..also many breeds have softer backs..some breeds even butt high, many breeds are straight in pasterns and have little if any rear angulation. If you are a terrier judge doing GSD's...it is going to be more difficult for you to understand the angulation front and rear of our breed. if you are a GSD person doing terriers..it is going to be more difficult for you to appreciate the straight should and rear and the more stilted motion from the side. many all-rounders rely on what they have been "told" about the GSD. I had the experience this past summer of attending some all-breed shows..I spoke with the judge who was doing shepherds..and she told me that she had been told years ago that the GSD should be a much longer dog than tall..consequently, she found the longest dog in each class for her winners.I didn't bother arguing with her..she looked to be nearly 90 and I wasn't going to change her mind! C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx <dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <lexieshep@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 12/5/2005 10:58:53 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why ? > > I have heard this statement from more people than I can count. "That dog could finish at an all breed show" or "That dog isn't a specialty type". I've only been in conformation for 4 years but that is one thing I have never understood. In my opinion they should be the same dog capable of winning in either ring if they are bred to the standard. I have a male that I showed in both all breed and specialty. I have a bitch that I try to only show in outdoor shows regardless if they are all breed or specialty. She doesn't like the mats indoors. > A member of our club has drafted a letter to send to the all breed kennel clubs in our area explaining why we like bigger rings and why we like outdoor rings and asking them to consider that when planning this coming years shows. We'll see if they take it to heart! > Dee Lauffer > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================