Helen- I agree with you completely. Maybe we need to resurrect the ABJAC (All Breed Judges Advisory Committee). D.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx To: cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; ELG440@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Who asked anyway? D.D. Of course there is a different STYLE in our GSDs today,but that has nothing to do with our USA Standard. That has only been changed twice since then (reformated,and DQ of whites) We had gorgeous dogs then--if fact some of the greats could win very easily in our ring today.Presentation was very different then The dogs were posed more naturally,not set up as they are now. Orrie drew generic schematic Illustrations. We had gorgeous dogs back then that he could have copied,but this is a teaching tool,so he chose not to and took his measurements directly from the Standard,not someone's top winning dog. People are confusing STYLE with conformation. All other breeds have done the same thing Just attend Crufts show in England some time ,and look at certain breeds there, and the copare their counterpart over here---completely dufferent. But their Standards are the same.Just like clothes ,or buildings.,we humans imprint our likes& dislikes on an object,be it a dog or a convention center,and it will always contnue.We present and groom our dogs comp[letely different.and that's fine,but the standard doesn't change. I was Education chair for 6 yrs,and in fact formed ABJAC(Allbreed Judges Advisory Committee) for the purpose of educating allbreed judges about GSDs. I contacted every applicant listed in the Gazette ,welcomed them to our world of GSD,sent them our GSDCA informational club phamplet,the pocket Standard,and the Illustrated Standard . In all those years,no judge had a problem recognizing that that it was our Standard. Each person thinks their dog is perfection,but we all know our dogs have faults. You can't piece-meal illustrate and take a head from one dog,a topline from another,a front from another,and a rear from another.. It just won't go togther,so you have to stick to a generic dog,drawn from the standard measurements. Updating the head on our logo was different and very easy to do. We can't do the Standard that way Helen Miller Fisher ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================