Syd posts... I have given such a breed seminar, the judges were astonished at the beauty and "normalness" of the dogs. Bud Drew was visiting friends, and he and Jim Hall went with me. Bud had Mr. T, and I brought my Dyna. The judges were wonderful, they had not realized how beautiful shepherds can be, how beautiful the movement, and the demo we did on doubling was very effective: they (finally) realized how much better they look when doubled. We made an impression, and that was good. Shalom Paul opines... Wowzers Ms Syd...sounds to me like you have a pretty good grasp of the GSD. Anyone capable of instructing new Judges with teaching and demos should really help create understanding where it didn't exist before. That's why I like the IS. It allows you to put words into visual images. Imagine trying to build a house without being able to see the blueprint? The IS is a form of blueprint that can assist newbies...Judges or anyone...in seeing what and where a "stop" is, for example. It puts into visual context...the 10 to 8 1/2 proportion. Jeez...all of that knowledge you possess...now if only you could draw! Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================