Actually I see less but then I may not be going to the same shows as you. Joan F. Fox17500 Haskins Rd.Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023tel: 440-759-4119http://www.campaignersgsds.com On Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:33 PM, "dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: At the rate I am noticing "white" on the chests of "colored" show dogs, we may need a special class in years to come. I remember when you rarely saw white on the chests. I can guess why, but I will just keep that to myself. Barb Hively - PADNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: dmarc-noreply <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; farmdogforever <farmdogforever@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Angie Martin' <charangsd@xxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Jan 22, 2015 1:22 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White patche CLASS? NAW......never happen! <G> We only have special classes for faults...and a small white patch is not a fault. Carolyn marhaven@suddenlink.netwww.marhaven.comOn Behalf Of Redacted sender "charangsd@xxxxxxx" for DMARC Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White patches Well stated Joan!! Next thing you know there will be a class for white patched dogs!! When is it ever going to stop?? Angie Martin Charan GSD's -----Original Message----- From: Joan Fox <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: farmdogforever <farmdogforever@xxxxxxxxx>; Just my opinion for what it is worth. ANY change to any breeds standard should only be even considered ifthat change is done to improve or correct the type of the breed. Cosmetics do not fit in this category. Joan F. Foxhttp://www.campaignersgsds.com On Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:24 AM, Penny Kroh <farmdogforever@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: If one was "fault-judging", I suppose white patches might bother some. To me, it's all part of the big picture. Sables can disguise white more than other colors, as the white color seems to blend in better; in a solid black, it will show, glaringly. Who cares? Does it have anything to do with movement? NO. Color never does. Of course, if some wished, I imagine there could be a special class for white patches at The National. (Sarcasm intended.) Heck, we already have it for coats. I still don't "get" that one. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Forever Member, GSDCA since 1981