They are different varieties all over the world except here and in Belgium. In this country, the person who led the fight to separate them into breeds was a Tervuren breeder that many of us know and have shown dogs to....and every time the various groups approach AKC to reunite the breeds into one breed with varieties, that same person, who the AKC has deemed to be in charge, says no. Nevertheless, there are solid black pups in some Tervuren litters and vice versa...and I've seen some pure black Malinois. They differ in temperament, as well, the different Belgians....the standards give different heights, and the heads are different now. Malinois have replaced German Shepherds on many European police forces, and are very popular in "ring sport," more so than Tervs OR Groenendahls. The heads on Malinois for the past 15 years or so can sometimes be very pit-bull like ... that would most definitely not be acceptable in the other Belgians. To make it comparable for German Shepherds, we'd first have to do all the things someone's already outlines, and remove white as a DQ in our standard...then allow whites in and make them a separate variety..............eventually, if we did that, they could become their own breed. Peggy grnram415@xxxxxxx wrote: >Stormy, > > > >You mention the Belgian breeds as a split.? I never thought of it that way, >always saw it as a variety of the same?dog.? They all look the same in body >and structure and only really differ in coat and color.??But, they?ARE >considered?different Breeds.??This is something I would like to know more >about, the History of these breeds.? Maybe we can look into their history to >see how?the split was made and approved to compete in all the venues.? Just a >thought :-)? > >Laura Thomas? > > > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================