In a message dated 5/11/11 3:30:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I know Evan has judged them, and so have I...we've both seen some spectacular dogs and it seems really dumb to keep them out of the show ring completely. This might be a good time to start the discussion again. When I judged the Whites at their national I spent some time with the breeders. As a group, they are much more involved in solving the breed's problems than are many of the standard breeders. I found the breed to be strong, well muscled, great bone and strong temperament. I saw lack of front reach and some of the males were a little big for me. It is time reason was considered. I don't know if the White breeders will have a united position. But, if they do, we need to give some real thought to our position. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================