[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD....think about it.
- From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>, <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ELG440@xxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:25:52 -0500
Thank you, Carolyn!!
Also, unless it's changed, there aren't any dogs of German origin where
white is allowed. These days I think they're allowing (here, anyway) some
white on Dachshunds, but unless I've had a total brain failulre, the German
breeds didn't have white as an allowed color.
Yes, there are white Boxers...also not allowed in the conformation ring
...
and there are Shelties that are mostly white (Collies, too)...the
Shelties are not allowed, altho color-headed white Collies are fine.
Cavalier King Charles Spaniels must have colour around the eyes,
too.........and Cardi's used to have a lot more white than they do now...one
of the best ever in the UK was more than half white...there are no photos
left of him except those on the coloured side.
Peggy
----- Original Message -----
From: "carolyn mckenna" <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ELG440@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD....think about it.
>I wholeheartedly agree with Carolyn on this. I judged a large regional in
>conjunction
> with their national a number of years ago. The people were great and
> totally committed,
> but at the time, few of the dogs would have been in any way competitive in
> one of our
> AKC shows, specialty or all breed. There was one black and tan bitch who
> was the
> exception; she was lovely (and correct), but could not even be considered
> for the top award
> because she was black and tan. Do you see a similarity here? Rules ?
> I seem to remember back in the 60s that there was a question about health
> issues in the
> white GSD; don't think anything came of it, but it may have been
> influential in the DQ.
> There are certainly health issues with other breeds who are not supposed
> to be white:
> the white collie must have color on the head, the boxer must not be more
> than one third
> white, Cardigan corgis must have color surrounding the eye, Shelties may
> not be more
> than half white, etc. Much of this involves deafness, blindness, and
> neurological problems.
> Also, it is a known fact that white herding dogs are not respected by
> livestock. Now, I
> hear you say " how about great Pyrenees and Kuvaz, etc." , and I say to
> you these are guardian
> dogs who are supposed to blend in with the sheep, not herding dogs. Did
> anyone mention function ?
> Carolyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:48 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] White GSD....think about it.
>
> Lloyd Brackett utilized a bitch called Nyx of Longworth.....and she was
> kind of
> an off-white. He paid a price with a lot of white markings on some of his
> black and tan dogs too....... and admitted it.
> No one has ever condemned those that have stayed true to loving and
> breeding
> the white GSD. There will always be a place for them in the dog world.
> You have to admit.......they are more beautiful and correct now. Ever
> since they
> were DQ'd there has been a steady improvement in them in my opinion.
> Might be the best thing that happened to them.....and when they have a
> litter they
> are WANTED. Many were disposing of whites in their litters before from
> what
> I have heard.
> Personally I think they are much better off now. They have their own shows
> and
> Champions and they have their own Nationals with their own High
> Awards....and
> they are very careful about preserving their dogs and where they are going
> with
> them.
> I don't think they have one thing to gain by again being a part of our
> Standard
> again ........and neither do we.........as per sites like Panda Shepherds,
> etc.
>
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.Marhaven.com
>
>
>
> .......................
> When I started in this sport it was in Michigan. An influencial kennel was
> Longworth who had included white in their breeding program for year. For a
> while we would end up with white shepherds in the litters, but they were
> not bred pure for color.
>
> The white breeders are some of the most dedicated people I have ever met.
> They know more about genetics and breeding, (since that is so important
> for
> them), than most of us. They breed very carefully with consideration of
> health and problems in the breed.
>
> .............................................................
>
> Get over it.
>
> On the other hand, it is an interesting discussion. I jsut don't know
> when I will have time to get to the posts.
>
> Evan Ginsburg
> Asgard German Shepherds
> http://www.asgardgsd.com/
> Where Type Movement and Temperament come together
>
>
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