On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:36:52 +0000 (UTC), edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >now I breed one of my males with one of my females.......oh no!...I >get a WHITE dog.....check mate!......it's a WHITE German Shepherd... Ed. You have me at a definite disadvantage 'cuz my brain doesn't work too good anymore and I've never been, you know, "quick" enough to be on a debate team. I'll just say that, per your example above, neither of your parent dogs can be a white German shepherd, not because of their color alone, but because neither has a complete complement of the genetic material necessary to "create" a white GSD. The masking gene is an *additional* gene carried in a completely different place on the chromosome from all other 'color' or other genes an individual dog might possess. It must be present and accounted for - both copies - in a given GSD in order to make the dog white. >your argument violates the "orange juice' fallacy ......lets say I >have and AKC registered orange.......the seeds inside can produce >nothing other than oranges....can't get grapes, sunflowers, or >coconuts........because a tree is judged by the fruit it bares...... Sometimes, a grapefruit tree is not a grapefruit tree. Most citrus trees today are grafted and not "purebred" or grown from seed anymore. Sometimes, what will happen is that the upper graft dies back and the rootstock grows up and overtakes the dead part of the tree. When such a thing happens, your orange tree might very well turn into a grapefruit tree that now bears grapefruit seeds. ;) -- Karen C. Email: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================