My first question about the two bitches described would be, "Tell me about her littermates." Give me the bitch from a top litter every day of the week. Second comment: about a bitch that lets the stud dog come through. Naw....I had a bitch, Victoria Dream ROM, ROMC, that I could breed to a tree and come up with gorgeous progeny. I tried to select dogs that would let HER come through. It does work both ways. Gail H.'s "Guido" bitch was also one of those. Her progeny class at the Nationals was the most beautiful I had ever seen, ever. Helen Franklin ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================