In a message dated 10/28/2005 11:14:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marhaven@xxxxxxx writes: you notice.....on the elbow lifting fronts.....the wither usually drops, or the >> YES Carolyn you are exactly right!! When a lifter goes loose the front end drops , they "run downhill" kicking up in the rear. Watch some of the dogs that the crowd mistakenly goes crazy for, you will see it <G> in some. Flashy but NOT correct, and running downhill, not efficient or physiologically sparing to a working animal. Not economical movement. Kathy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================