In a message dated 11/16/2004 9:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, hollywoods@xxxxxxx writes: > We all feel we have dogs that will protect us......what is the fine line > that says the dog can step in and do that.....If someone is coming at you > threatening like this judge was is that a fine line?? Not sure if anyone wrote back to this yet but will share MY opinion The time its ok for my dogs to bite is when they are told its OK by me or my son or husband. Or on the field practicing protection work. Or if someone is physically hurting someone in my family including myself or those around us. Most sound GSD can tell who is going to hurt their pack via means of pheramones from the perpetrator etc... i just really feel a sound GSD is going to know the difference between REAL and FAKE when it comes down to protecting their human pack. My dogs are NOT allowed to bite someone because they are stared at or if someone comes towards them banging their feet loudly on the floor or if someone comes into my house unannounced, however, they are VERY ALLOWED to bark and hold and intimidate the hell outta ANYONE that shows the signs of the intent to hurt us. They are allowed to bark at strangers even if i let them in my home, until i feel its time to have them settle down. They are allowed to be aloof and they are allowed to show their loyalty, but they are NOT allowed to bite ANY ONE just for acting like that judge did (although he sounded like a total idiot for what he did) If that judge had grabbed the handler in a threatening way.... thats pretty close reason for my dog to be told its ok to "pakken" (Spelling) What do you guys think Dawnmarie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical or administrative help, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================