Hi Amy: My reproduction vet has me count 9 weeks (63 days) from the ovulation date....not breeding date.? In the old days, progestering testing was not available, and we used the first breeding date.? This is why whelping date could be 57 - 63 days from date of first breeding. Of course, unless you know the ovulation date, you really are at nature's mercy as to when the pups will arrive.? Also, pups can arrive a day or two prior or after ovulation date, too. What is her rectal temperature?? You are looking for a drop to 98.???, and then a rise back up to almost normal.? The litter will arrive when the number is back up, not at a low number.? FYI - This current litter, my bitch and the stud had their first tie 4 days before she ovulated.? This explains why her previous litters, no progesterone testing done, arrived 4 days after her due?date. Good luck with the babies. B Hively -----Original Message----- From: Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: shepherd, german <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:07 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Whelping Question It has been 5-1/2 years since our last litter of puppies. Mystery's 63rd. day from the first breeding is July 20th. Today is only the 14th. She was very ancy last night......not wanting to settle. This morning she will not eat and she is normally a great eater. My question is this....Is it possible that she ovulated before the first breeding???? I only got two breedings two days in a row and Mick could not breed her the third day. I was thinking puppies possibly Friday, Sat. but today is too early.? Could she poosibly just be uncomfortable because the puppies are moving????I really did not think that there would be any puppies until at least Thursday. ?If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it.? I think that I will be sticking very close to her now. TIA. Amy Greenhut Justrock German Shepherds Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises & ?Tortoise Rescue Behold The Turtle, ?He Makes Progress Only When He Sticks His Neck Out A Quote By James B. Conant ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================