I posted this previously, but figured that either no one read it, or it must contain too much logic for this group. Lets try this again, and refocus our energy, please.......... In a message dated 1/28/2007 11:13:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: In addition, as Tish has told you, an ad hoc committee has been constituted to deal with the membership application process, AND another an ad hoc committee has been constituted to come back to the April meeting with a proposed Code of Ethics. I am one of the members of the Code of Ethics Committee. Carolyn Martello, Gail Hardcastle, Paul Root and Jamie Walker (as Chair) are the others. Ok, people, lets turn this around, this is an opportunity to use this forum as a giant brain storming arena. Margie has announced to you that ad hoc committees have been formed. This is your opportunity to make recommendations on how these things need to be addressed. The application process must be revamped - we all agree, our Breeder's code is nice, but has no teeth - we must make these rules applicable in the real world, not our "ideal" world. When you refer to a puppy mill - how do you define it? Is a puppy mill a person with one bitch that breeds and sells off the puppies for income without regard to improving the breed, or is it one of the nightmares we hear about on the news with hundreds of animals being bred over and over again. What about the vets that state that breeding a bitch multiple times in a row is better for the bitch. There is scientific data to back that up, is that a puppy mill? If someone is listed as a breeder on multiple bitches, do we limit the number of bitches they can be listed on to not call them a puppy mill? When you refer to a "broker" how do you define it? Is a broker someone who buys and sells animals? Keep in mind, some handlers buy young animals and resell them to their clients for a profit. Is a broker one that buys an entire litter for resale? Sometimes an entire litter can be one or two puppies. Be very careful in your wording - be thoughtful and mindful of what your definitions are. If you no longer breed, and it does not effect you, keep in mind that what you might recommend will affect others in very serious ways. If you were on one of these committees, what would you recommend be done with the by-laws. Are we making new rules to eliminate just one? How will "brokering" affect us. Are you going to eliminate just one? How will it affect the masses? Do we put numbers on these activities? If you breed "X" number of litters, does that make you a puppy mill? How many breeders keep their names on bitches with co-owners and get puppies back, how many would constitute a puppy mill. Let's turn this into something positive. I know we all abhor people that have these "nightmare" puppy mills, and we don't like puppies wholesaled into pet shops. If you don't like the idea of pet shop pets, then don't support them, and urge your clients, friends, acquaintances not to support them. Go to other places, or buy your supplies online at a business that does not sell pets. Support the businesses that support adoptions, and sell good supplies, and offer services that helps people to create a bond with their pets. I know that we have a lot of good people on this list that can turn this into something positive, lets hear your great, well thought out ideas. Let's as a group, make a difference, complaining never accomplishes anything, and only makes us a part of the problem. Let's be a part of the solution. Laura Gilbert Chesapeake, VA I was in attendance at this board meeting in Memphis. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================