[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What would you do? (scenario)
- From: grnram415@xxxxxxx
- To: firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx, fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx, uwish@xxxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:10:57 -0400
That brings up another intersting aspect.? I have just made a decision similar
to what Barbara described.? Ok, not the husband.? Got rid rid of him years ago,
LOL!?
However, I had to decide which of 3 pups to keep.? My litter was very nice and
included sables, YIKES!!!? Ok, sable lovers, don't yell at me yet.
I am not a sable person.? However, I do appreciate a GOOD dog, of any color,
when I see him/her.? When I bred to this sable dog, I new he would give me what
I wanted in my line and I knew I would get sables.? I was right.? Then, I had
to make a decision on a sable bitch, a B/T bitch or a B/T male.? All 3 are nice
pups but the sable bitch is awesome.? I know the competition in bitches is high
and a sable?? But, she is everything I wanted from this breeding.? So, I am
keeping her.
Like Barbara, I can only keep one pup.? Unlike Barbara, I can grow the other
two out for a couple months and hopefully find good co-owners.? Make sure
teeth, ears and testicles are there.? Heck, I would even give them to a Newbie
or Junior on a co-ownership as the temperament and quality is that good.
I guess my opinion would be to keep the BEST pup and if you can, co-own the
bitch with a pup back in the future, that would be the best.? If the Mom is
your "foundation" bitch and you plan to breed her again, then you have a great
way to either keep one of her future pups or a pup from the pup's future
litter.?
It all depends on your personal situation.? JMHO
Laura
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From: Tom Elkins <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx>
To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx; uwish@xxxxxxxxxx; 'Showgsd-l'
<Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:02 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What would you do? (scenario)
Terry --- Oh, I see how you're reading it. I interpreted "show herself"
to mean take to shows herself, not literally show in the ring herself.
Barbara, clarification please. Either way, I'd still go with the male since
he's the star, and if he truly is a star I'd ALWAYS say get a very good
professional handler who can bring out the best in him.
tom elkins
Firethorn Temple
<http://www.firethorntemple.com/> http://www.firethorntemple.com
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From: Terry Cochran [mailto:fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:08 PM
To: uwish@xxxxxxxxxx; 'Showgsd-l'; Tom Elkins
Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What would you do? (scenario)
Barbara wrote:.......but remember the breeder wants a top animal to show
herself).
So that is the question Is she handling herself. If that is the case then
the question becomes who do you think you can present the best.
Terry
From: Tom Elkins <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What would you do? (scenario)
To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx, uwish@xxxxxxxxxx, "'Showgsd-l'"
<Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:02 AM
When it comes to making a star, part of the formula is having a very good
jockey. You don?t see any fat tubs of goo male owners or rich, blue haired
old ladies riding horses in the Kentucky Derby. A very good jockey is part
of the deal. Same with GSDs. Remember, we?re talking STARS, not
just dogs that finish.
tom elkins
Firethorn Temple
<http://www.firethorntemple.com/> http://www.firethorntemple.com
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From: Terry Cochran [mailto: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx ]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:39 AM
To: uwish@xxxxxxxxxx ; 'Showgsd-l'; firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What would you do? (scenario)
What I want to know is who is going to handle the dog. Is it going to be
owner handled?? If so then you need to keep the one that you think you can
do the best job with.
Terry
--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Tom Elkins <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Tom Elkins <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What would you do? (scenario)
To: uwish@xxxxxxxxxx , "'Showgsd-l'" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 8:15 AM
Barbara -- Another big part of this for me has to do with how we define
terms. In my definition, there are lots of "really good ones" as you
define
the bitch. By my definition, there never were, are not now, and never will
be very many stars (as you define the male) at any given time. Breeding a
star is a GSD breeder's equivalent of winning the lottery. You don't
let go
of that ticket. I hope my karma puts me in that position during this turn of
the wheel!
tom elkins
Firethorn
Temple
http://www.firethorntemple.com
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From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Barbara Galasso
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:06 AM
To: 'Showgsd-l'
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] What would you do? (scenario)
OK, here's the set up. You're a small breeder, maybe only breeding a
litter or two every other year. You breed your beautiful champion bitch
to one of the top producing males in the country. You can't wait for
the litter to be born. You plan on keeping your best bitch. After
selling your pets, you are left with two puppies; a bitch and a male.
You decide to hold onto them until they're four
months. The bitch is a
really good one, but the male is without question a "star!" Now you
can
only keep one as your husband has threatened you with divorce. And, no
keeping them both until they're six months old, is not an option as the
husband grows more irritable each day. (I know what some of you are
thinking right about now......get rid of the husband. And no, that's
not an option either). Now you know that you can co-own either one of
these puppies with someone, BUT you've been looking for something great
to show yourself for a long time. So here's the questions: Knowing
that the competition in bitches is usually the toughest, do you h
old
onto the good bitch? The male is a "stand out" in every way. You
didn't want to hold onto a male, but this puppy is definitely making you
have second thoughts. Do you sell the bitch on a co-own and keep the
boy because he's the better of the two? (You may be thinking right
about now, how about putting the boy on a co-own.......but remember the
breeder wants a top animal to show herself). If you decide on the male,
let me ask you this. How do you feel about keeping a beautiful male
that finishes his championship and then you have to compete for stud
services with his well-known top producing sire? Alright so there you
have it. What would you do? Best, Barbara
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