Hi Guys, I have thought about this a bit, and I feel that I need to say something here. Epilepsy, is a very difficult diagnoses. Epilepsy, can be caused by a LOT of things, over vaccination, hypothyroidism, ingestion of algae (blue/gree) from standing water, injury, and illness. We know only too well about the last one as we lost a beloved young dog many years ago who developed a brain abscess, after contracting a severe case of Canine Influeza (which is actually more like a distemper) Live and learn. I don't have a problem with someone "venting" when they cannot get through to a breeder. Been there, too. Sometiimes it feels as it is your last resort. However two things bothered me about the post from Steve A. There is no determination that this dog's seizures are genetically caused. There is no evidence that this is now or has been a problem in other litters, is there? Also knowing Evan as I do, I can tell you for a fact, and ABSOLUTE FACT...that if anyone were unhappy with a purchase made from them, that they would replace, refund or both . Evan and I don't always see eye to eye when it comes to the showring. We are good with that. We can disgree VEHEMENTLY and it is not a problem. I can tell you, that Evan would ever ignore a puppy owner that was unhappy. He is a smart guy, and to keep people happy as a breeder is not always easy...for anyone. Honestly when I read the post that slammed a breeder whom I know for a FACT would rectify a problem, no question.... it made me a little angry....it made me a little nauseated. It was unnecessary and mean spirited. What about contacting them privately? Has an offer for a replacement been made and accepted. If so, then this was an exercise in mud slinging, nothing more. It is also slander, I believe by legal definition......slander an attorney /breeder/ judge...wow amazing. I would be interested to know if the vet for this dog has an absolute on the cause of the seizures? I would be interested in seeing vaccination records and dates. I would be interested in know what kind of food this dog eats, and to what it may have been exposed..at any time? I would be sure before I posted that there were others with the problem in the litter. I would be damn sure not to sully a breeder when they have made offers to rectify the problem, as soon as they can. Needless, ugly....and by the very tone of the post, I would automatically disregard it as just plain meanness. Kathy...going back to Facebook now, LOL *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* *Updated: March 2013* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan **CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle * *RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* * * *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 8:14 AM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > A great new thread has begun with a terrible problem > > We do need to think carefully abut what problems can come from our > breeding. We all try so hard to avoid genetic problems and every day we > find new > tools. After a few years we learn that no matter how hard you try, there > are things that come up and there is no way to avoid every problem. > > We try to breed away from problems in our breed, but we can't destroy the > genes, we just mask them and bury them as long as possible. > > I was sorry to see Champion Asgard's Icon used as a target. He is a > fantastic dog, and I have had a chance to see him win Best of Breed time > and time > again in 8 or 9 Specials classes. But, I suppose when a dog becomes well > known, then he will have to stand for the criticisms. > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================