This is well said. Who on earth intentionally breeds to produce dogs with problems so throwing the stones of blame is always unfair, but a learning experience for everyone out there. Being up front and honest will be the benefit to us all. Someone mentioned many threads ago not all seizuring is genetic and that is so true. First seizure dog out of my lines was a pup I had sold to a lady in NY. She had him 2 weeks when they started. He was at the vets hooked up to a phenobarb line and after stabilizing him, I brought him home and took him to Dr. Joane Parent at OVC in Guelph (honestly one of the top neurologists in the world at that time) She did extensive testing and discovered he had fluid in his brain. The new owner repeatedly said nothing happened to him, but after testing she told me crying she had fallen carrying him down stairs. Dr. Parent felt the condition had been trauma, blow to head. It took many months but the fluid finally absorbed and he never had another issue after 7 months of age and came off all meds. Lived until almost 12 when he had a spleen torsion. Another beautiful sable boy I bred, Pride, started seizures at 2 years. he was living with a close friend that worked for me. She and her husband were just at the point of divorcing. Apparently he slapped my friend and was going to hit his daughter and Pride got in between them....he took a hard kick to the liver and started to seizure. Liver damage was extensive but did finally heal itself. He was on potassium bromide for a few years and came back to live with me when she moved and could not take him. Gallant boy, loved him so. he passed with cancer at 11. They do happen, and everyone does their best. Lets learn more as a result. Molly Member GSDCC, GSDCA, GSDC of Beaumont, life member CKC In a message dated 5/19/2013 10:15:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: We do need to think carefully abut what problems can come from our breeding. We all try so hard to avoid genetic problems and every day we find new tools. After a few years we learn that no matter how hard you try, there are things that come up and there is no way to avoid every problem. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================