Here's the problem...AKC needs to get rid of MAJORS!!!...the numbers are going way down on what constitutes a major anyway...in Canada, unless they changed it, you need 10 points under 3 different judges...we need to do something very similar...I know what you're thinking...we'll have too many champions and the QUALITY will be diminished...hogwash...I was going to use a stronger word starting with BULL....quality is in the eye of the beholder..as for too many champions...well whats wrong with that?....this Major thing is a shell game with AKC changing the numbers all the time...the time for change is now....Edwin Obama Hill.....don't worry school starts next Monday!...lol.... cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: An occurrence at a recent show got me to thinking about this... Say you own and handle a very nice dog who needs only majors to finish. You enter your dog in a particular show. At the close of entries, the counts indicate a major in dogs. You take your dog to the show. Shortly before ring time, a handler pulls a dog and breaks the major. You aren't aware of this and take your dog into the ring. Your dog takes WD and two points. Nobody is happy about this. People are angry at you because the points were "wasted" on a dog needing only majors. You are angry because you would have pulled your dog had you known the major was broken. (You didn't realize the major was broken until you were already in the ring with your dog.) You are also peeved at that other handler for pulling his dog and breaking the major in the first place. Here's my questions... (I'm a newbie to showing, so please bear with my ignorance. ) Does the scenario, described above, happen very often? Are all exhibitors/handlers made aware of the actual count *before* anyone steps into the ring? If all dogs are in the ring and accounted for by the ring steward, but it looks like the major will not hold, is it okay to pull your dog at that point? (I'm talking about before the judge enters the ring.) If I entered a show with a dog needing only majors and the major did not hold, I would want to pull my dog ASAP. I would hate for my dog to take points it didn't need. That's why I'm asking these questions. Thanks in advance for your responses. Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member Allemande German Shepherd Dogs Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================