In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:54:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Create a new regional and national show(non-akc) that incorporates many working dog components with conformation in the same ring or during the same competition for evaluation - stressing owner handled if possible. Maybe this is where our futurities(or a version thereof) need to go...... OK then let it fly If the majority of owners weren't over 55, then owner handled would be great. Agility, herding etc often have handlers to train and show their dogs. I think Mike all you have mentioned is we all simply have to support and promote ALL venues without convoluting the original issue. But thinking out of the box is great.......work up a package of thoughts (and you obviously have given this a lot of thought) and present them to the board. The performance events at present have the better sense of fair play, and there are many reasons why the general majority think that way. The feel is the same as though that race horses...the nose over the line wins. It is all the sport of dogs in the end, and I don't think we need any more titles but of course that is just my opinion. Molly Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 PH 409-287-3940 Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont (recording secretary), Life Member CKC "Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again." ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================