[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What is going on?
- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
- To: shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx, Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx, paris-smith_k9s@xxxxxxxxxxx, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:38:59 EST
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Morgan, I can list more than a few dogs who have B/T,
who have produced offspring who B/T....and they in turn produced....
(Remember, the first pair could have and in some cases produced BEFORE they
B/Td)
And over the years we have had popular stud dogs who B/Td and folks still
have bred to them.
I'd get shot if I started naming names though lol.
Study pedigrees.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 1/2/2011 5:02:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Barb has probably researched this Condition more than ANYONE on Earth; AS
FOR Dr
Glickman's Study where is the PROOF. I can suspect ANYTHING. PEDIGREES
"MAY"
suggest a propensitity for BLOAT or ANY OTHER HEATH PROBLEM; but until
someone either finds the GENETIC MARKERS or BREEDS a litter from 2 dogs
that
have actually survived BLOAT and followed EVERY OFFSPRING, we don't know!!
I believe in Heath and Genetics, more than most, but there are too many
questions to be answered in this particular case
Morgan Lewis, RPh.
Member GSDCA
Board Member Canine Pet Rescue
http://www.caninepetrescue.com/
"So Much to Do, So Little Time"
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From: "Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx" <Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx>
To: paris-smith_k9s@xxxxxxxxxxx; rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx;
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Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 2:47:49 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What is going on?
everyone should take the time to read barb williams' bloat article - it is
on the homepage of her web site (_www.santanagermanshepherds.com_
(http://www.santanagermanshepherds.com) ). it is under the email notice
and
says
"bloat article."
also, as a result of his extensive research, dr. glickman at purdue has
come to the conclusion that bloat is genetic. in the blue book, volume
3,
there are at least 2 great articles on bloat/torsion and their genetic
properties.
diane
Diane Silver-Strasser
Silstra German Shepherds
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In a message dated 1/2/2011 11:43:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
paris-smith_k9s@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
My husband had a cocker spaniel bloat. At the clinic we say various
breeds
bloat. (a doxie, labs, chows to name a few) So I personally think it is
just
something that is an unfortunate medical issue animals can encounter.
Until
they prove there is scientific proof that it is genetic/hereditary I will
keep being cautious of all my animals regardless of lines. It is way too
easy for people to point fingers at a dog in a pedigree as being the cause
because it is a common dog in the pedigrees but there are also many other
dogs in the pedigree so how can you just sit there and say "Yep there is
the
corporate". This train of thought drives me nuts. There has not been
enough
proven facts out there to be able IMHO to make accusations like this. So
like I said until there is solid proof out there that it is brought on by
certain lines I will just do my best and use the experience of others who
have dealt with bloat/torsion and what I have seen when I worked in the
clinic and hope to keep my doggies safe.
Kathy that is the same point I have made many times too regarding horses.
There are so many other animals that bloat/torsion besides dogs. Although
I
have never heard about a human thank you for that further information.
Tammy Paris-Smith
www.noble-spirit-shepherds.com
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On Behalf Of Kathy Tank
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:43 AM
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Cc: shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx; marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What is going on?
Remember , HORSES can bloat and torsion too, and too frequently. I lost
my
best Paint mare
years ago to a torsion...she had a 3 mos old colt at her side. He
survived...but I still miss her.
It probably happens in more animals than we know. I even saw a little boy
(on Trauma Ctr TV show) that had a
gastric torsion as the result of a car accident. It was a seatbelt
injury,
and he was bloated and painful, but with
no injuries readily apparent. He made it.
There are no exact causes, all we can do is try to be vigilant.
Unless by some miracle there is actually a genetic marker for it, we all
tend to hold our breath.
Kathy
*http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com*<http://www.victorygermanshepherds.co
m/>
*Home of:
CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs
CH. Victory's Leviathan
CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle *
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Zoa Rockenstein
<zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Morgan,
> Thank you for using the words "...it is frequently reported that..."
Those
> words should precede any and all discussions of causes of bloat/torsion
> because
> THERE ARE NO PROVEN FACTS where the causes are concerned....only highly
> opinionated speculation. Remember, people used to fervently believe
that
> the
> world was flat!
>
>
> Zoa
> Dr. Zoa Rockenstein
>
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